Every week, the show hosts thoughtful . I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. Join our constellation of listening and living. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam. If youre having trouble writing or creating or whatever it is you make, when was the last time you just sat in silence with yourself and listened to what was happening? Tippett: And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. Black bark, slick yellow leaves, a kind of stillness that feels, We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out. Return like a word, long forgotten and maligned. On Being with Krista Tippett. I love it. She created and hosts the public radio program and podcast On Being . Yeah. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. Yeah. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, The Hearthland Foundation. Perhaps, has an unsung third stanza, something brutal, snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing, the high notes with a beer sloshing in the stands, hoping our team wins. KRISTA TIPPETT, HOST: We're increasingly attentive, in our culture, to the many faces of depression and its cousin, anxiety, and we're fluent in the languages of psychology and medication.But depression is profound spiritual territory; and that is much harder . But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. And I think there was a part of me that felt like so much of what I had read up until then was meant to instruct or was meant to offer wisdom. Tippett: I mean, even that question you asked, What am I supposed to do with all that silence? Thats one way to talk about the challenge of being human and walking through a life. And here was something that was so well crafted and people to this day will say its one of the most expert villanelles ever written its so well crafted, and yet it doesnt actually offer any answers. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. I have, before, been, tricked into believing and then, Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? Limn: Yeah. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. I love it that youre already thinking that. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. Limn: That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. Okay. And it says, You are here. And I felt like every day Id write a poem was literally putting that little, You are here dot on a map. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . At a special TEDPrize@UN, journalist Krista Tippett deconstructs the meaning of compassion through several moving stories, and proposes a new, more attainable definition for the word. Limn: I think its very dangerous not to have hope. Unknown. I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. She is a former host of the poetry podcast. The original idea, when we say like our, thesis statement, or even when we say like. Between. that thered be nothing left in you, like Suppose its easy to slip Image by Danyang Ma, All Rights Reserved. Helping to build a more just, equitable and connected America one creative act at a time. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. a breaking open, a breaking Yeah. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. The British psychologist Kimberley Wilson works in the emergent field of whole body mental health, one of the most astonishing frontiers we are on as a species. Krista interviewed her in 2015, and it quickly became a much-loved show as her voice was just rising in common life. Limn: Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. And we think, Well, what are we supposed to do with that silence? And we read naturally for meaning. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. big enough not to let go: And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. love it again, until the song in your mouth feels A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. to pick with whoever is in charge. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow, Join our constellation of listening and living. As . This is not a problem. Draco, Lacerta, Hydra, Lyra, Lynx. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. Before the dogs chain. if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big Yeah. Tippett: To be made whole/ by being not a witness,/ but witnessed. Can you say a little bit about that? And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. Also: Kristin Brogdon, Lindsey Siders, Brad Kern, John Marks, Emery Snow and the entire staff at both Northrop and the Ted Mann Concert Hall of the University of Minnesota. Tippett: several years later and a changed world later. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. What Amanda has been gathering by way of answers to that question is an extraordinary gift to us all. The truth is, Ive never cared for the National to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward I want to say first of all, how happy I am to be doing something with Milkweed, which I have known since I moved to Minnesota, I dont know, over a quarter century ago, to be this magnificent but quiet, local publisher. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. But I think theres so much in this poem thats about that idea that the thesis thats returned to the river. Only my head is for you. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. Renamed On Being with Krista Tippett, the show was broadcast on more than 400 stations nationwide and, as a podcast, was regularly downloaded millions of times a month. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. Copyright 2023, And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our. We have been in the sun. its like staring into an original enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high several years later and a changed world later. and over against the ground, sometimes. On Being Studios's tracks [Unedited] Ocean Vuong with Krista Tippett by On Being Studios The Adventure of Civility. I really love . I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. It feels important to me, right now, because I want to talk to you about this a little bit, what weve been through. Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. Limn: Yeah. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. This is amazing. For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. And enough so that actually, as I would always sort of interrogate her about her beliefs and, Do you think this, do you think that? Oh my. us, still right now, a softness like a worn fabric of a nightshirt. When you open the page, theres already silence. And I think there was this moment where I was like, Oh, Im just sort of living to see what happens next. And the grief is also giving me a reason to get up. Between the ground and the feast is where I live now. That really spoke to me, on my sofa. And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. A scholar of belonging. A scholar of magic. She grew up loving science fiction, and thought wed be driving flying cars by now; and yet, has found in speculative fiction the transformative force of vision and imagination that might in fact save us. We want to do that where we live, and we want to do it walking alongside others.. Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating. Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. Its the thing that keeps us alive. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. Yeah. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. Written and read by So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. You may also catch references to things seen and witnessed throughout the event including a stunning opening poem by our dear friend Maria Popova, composed of On Being show titles which you can take in fully by viewing the recorded celebration in its entirety on our YouTube channel. My grandmother is 98. Limn: Not the Saddest Thing in the World, All day I feel some itchiness around creeks, two highways, two stepparents You boiled it down. of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. Or call 1-800-MY-APPLE. In generational time, they are stitching relationship across rupture. joy, foundational, that brief kinship of hold I have a lot of poems that basically are that. So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. Subscribe to the live your best life newsletter Sign up for the oprah.com live your best life newsletter Get more stories like this delivered to your inbox Get updates on your favorite . And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine., Tippett: [laughs] Yeah. maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. It is still the river. with a new hosta under the main feeder. Foundations 4: Calling and Wholeness On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. Tippett: Thats so wonderful. Limn: Yeah. We are fluent in the story of our time marked by catastrophe and dysfunction. We are located on Dakota land. Do you remember the Colbert Report when Stephen Colbert was doing the earlier show, and he had this one skit where he said, I love breathing, I could do it all day long. [laughter] And I always think about that because of course, its so ironic that we have to think about our breath. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing And thats also not the religious association with Sunday, right? Its a prose poem. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. But instead to really have this moment of, Oh, no, its our work together to see one another. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Rate. Limn: Yeah. And its always an interesting question because I feel like my process changes and I change. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. What happens after we die? And she says, Well, you die, and you get to be part of the Earth, and you get to be part of what happens next. And it was just a very sort of matter-of-fact way of looking at the world. That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. body. Every week: practices and goodies to accompany your listen. The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. Krista Tippett has spent more than a decade exploring important questions of life, questions that often involve faith, science and spirituality on her popular radio program and podcast, "On Being." SHARE. [audience laughs] And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. Because I couldnt decide which ones I wanted you to read. between us there was the road We want to meet what is hard and hurting. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. enough of the will to go on and not go on or how But we dont need to belabor that. With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. The bright side is not talked about. An electric conversation with Ada Limns wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. Perhaps Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. Nothing, nothing is funny. Tippett: And poetry is absolutely this is not something I knew would happen when I started this but poetry now is at the heart of On Being, its woven through everything. But let me say, I was taken, back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy, but I was loved each place. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. I love it that youre already thinking that. Limn: Yeah. But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. Now, somethings, breaking always on the skyline, falling over. 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