They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Divide & conquer. I thought it was great that they were living in the same liberal hell hole that I was living in. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. they should have fought not laid over. A CEO that listens to the customer. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. For a while there, post SAFE-ACT passage, it looked like 10-round (I know, right) mags were going to be outlawed. Or cameras? Sadly, some of the collar county Repubs arent so much. That is sooo repetitious! Are they doing town halls? 2) One of the Resses got caught doing something bad again, and a deal was reached to help anti-2nd forces in exchange for an investigation going away. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Rock Rivers LAR-15 NSP CAR is a lightweight, reliable, well-made and accurate AR carbine that is ready for duty right out of Two? Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. Its called doing business. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. AR-15 Parts. Up yours Springfield! You write as though weve been asleep. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). I wont name them, but the sales people at certain companies worked hard (and maybe even fudged some dates on paperwork) to make sure that I got my magazines before the deadline in the law hit. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River It weighs 10.2 pounds empty and is 43.5 inches long. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, AND started planning to move out of the state. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. Make this a massive intractable mess. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. All things considered, a Henry Big Boy in .44mag is more likely to see the inside of my safe than a M1A1. FREE SHIPPING on orders over $90! Hes hurt the small guys trying to kiss up to the big retailers here in Illinois. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? Could be paperweights. Theyd screw over their grandmother for a dime. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. This product has an average rating of 4 stars out of 5 stars from 3 ratings. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Didnt you read this article? If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. Pennsylvania checking in. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. Not now. Did Springfield get shouted down at their own party? They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. Regardless of who did what,the after-effects of this deal and a legislative loss will be felt far beyond Illinois for some time to come. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! I dont think youre using that word right. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. They fixed the old rifle, returned it to me and offered me the M1A for all the troubles I had experienced. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. If anyone from SAs Corporate Communications department happens upon this post, please get this in front of Dennis Reese and let him know that his actions are shameful, and that he has just traded his honor for a paycheck. Maybe worst of all, passage gives anti-gunners a win they desperately needed. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. I bought a RRA rifle back in 2012. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. Gun owners have good memories, it will take a year but Springfield like Target will notice their mistake on their Revenue numbers and blame the weather, the president, insert excuse here. Thats rolling over and showing your belly while wagging your tail. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. I checked my order history. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. Keller dropped IFMAs opposition, providing cover for a couple of wavering Senators to vote for the bill. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. Easy there tough guy. Since 2002. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Its not difficult. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. And now a sell out. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? You ask what was Springfield supposed to do? chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. Or in the General Assembly. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. I am happy with my Polytech. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. Thats bad math and bad leadership. In order to try to get a lock on about 1.6 million FOID holders in Illinois, Springfield has angered the other 80 million gun owners in the rest of the nation. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. Hugely disappointing. Thanks a bunch pricks! I totally agree Travis. Have you not been following this story? Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? WebA similar thing happened with Yeti and the NRA, where Yeti ended their NRA-specific discount program but included them in a broader discount program. Built on the companys RRAGE upper and lower receiver and handguard assemblies, the pistol delivers a sleek profile. When I explained that sales were still legal before the SAFE Act deadline went into force, they still refused. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. Great grip and trigger. Sorry for the spelling error. This companys name is Mudd. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. Good luck! I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. and thats where the idea of 10 round limit for magazines originated,right from the mouth of Bill Ruger. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. ! mantra. NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Whats more, Larson seems genuinely appalled by what happened. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. Chill out and stop trying to ruin a great company. A big reason that these rifles shoot so well is the barrel. The barrels Rock River use come from the Connecticut-based company, Wilson Arms (wilsonarms.com). Wilson makes the barrel, contours it and starts the chambering process. Except they are both under different ownership today. Either dont have any or I overpay to have the stock and have it at a price that everyone individual doesnt want to buy the whole lot at once. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. Its their prerogative. People Of The Gun have long memories. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Indiana has a good climate for manufacturers of firearms, and I wouldnt mind seeing a few more ffls open up shop near me in Northwest Indiana, either. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Specifications and Features: Rock River Arms AR-15 Magazine AR0116N30 .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO 30 Round Capacity Anti-Tilt Follower Proven Reliability Now Im off to call Cabelas and inform them of SAs treachery and why i will not buy from them as long as they carry SA product, http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/search.cmd?recordsPerPage=18&No=0&N=0&nl=true&Ntk=AllProducts&Ntt=Springfield+Armory&search=Search. Today, we have nearly one dozen gun control groups working in Illinois. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. Make it a campaign issue NOW. I think it was meant to be used with gloves on only. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. Who Makes Rock River Arms? I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. After the next civil war, we wont allow another one. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Pretty small and isolated country town. Instead, we were undercut by aself-serving supposed ally. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Now I wish I had not. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. Theyve earned back the support of 2A advocates, imo. Now that I understand what occurred its pretty obvious as gunners we need to pass on Springfield and run to Henry. Rock solid performer. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. Neither will have the working capitol to sustain a relocation. Great gun. Layoffs to follow. Illinoying is pushing to get shut down. And theyre telling their friends. And rra. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. The bills author was (mostly) Rugers attorneys. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. Im not buying a damn thing from Springfield and there is NO EXPIRATION DATE ON THAT. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. Web50%. What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. As if they want to implode. I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. An XD and its in .40? Companies move all the time. No they dont. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. When the Maryland Leftistlature passed the odious Gun Safety Act of 2013, making it illegal to purchase many of the firearms made by the venerable Beretta concern, they responded by building their new facility in Tennessee, giving Maryland a stalwart raised middle finger and taking a considerable amount of tax revenue with them.. Ive not the least doubt that the rest of Beretta will eventually follow. The NRA would likely throw you and your fliers in the dumpster. Bullshit. If people werent buying at these prices than there would be no market. My time stinks apparently. Wrong. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. RRA and Mr Larson are the only ones who can make a reliable AR-10. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. Yes, very disappointed. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. Bill Ruger was key in the implementing of the 94 AWB, refusing to sell evil 20+ round magazines to anyone but .gov entities? Some would disagree. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. job creation they call it (bribery is such a dirty word). 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